Do you agree with WWE's list of the top 25 Submission Holds of All Time?

Question

25: Gory Special
24: Colossal Clutch
23: Jazz Stretch
22: Vise Grip
21: Regal Stretch
20: Tarantula
19: Dragon Sleeper
18: Texas Cloverleaf
17: Anaconda Vise
16: Brock Lock
15: Iron Claw
14: Sleeper Hold
13: Torture Rack
12: Tazmission
11: Mandible Claw
10: Full Nelson
09: Camel Clutch
08: Hell's Gate
07: Figure Four
06: Crossface Chickenwing
05: Walls of Jericho
04: STF
03: Million Dollar Dream
02: Ankle Lock
01: Sharp Shooter

Answer 1

The Crippler Crossface should be number one. Properly applied, the opponent cannot escape, and risks serious injury to his neck.



The Figure Four should be number two. Anybody who ever saw Flair in his prime base an entire match around weakening his opponent's leg and trapping him in that hold should understand. With the right opponent (meaning one who could sell the whole ordeal), the drama was INTENSE.



The Tarantula was not a submission hold. It was an illegal hold by Tajiri involving the ropes with the intention of weakening his opponent. He could only hold it for the ref's 4 count.



The Mandible Claw was not a submission hold, either. Or rather, it shouldn't have been. It is illegal to stick your fingers in your opponent's eyes, ears, and mouth, and each time it happens the ref warns and counts. Yet Foley was able to stick his fingers in his opponent's mouth and get a submission win. Wrong.



In place of The Tarantula and The Mandible Claw should be The Indian Deathlock and The Fujiwara Armbar.



The Ankle Lock is rather over-sold and shouldn't have been rated higher than the Texas Cloverleaf, which involves the opponent's legs and back, much like The Sharpshooter.



Otherwise, the list is fine.

Answer 2

Rick Martel's Boston Crab should be in this list and it isn't. Martel in his prime could get a "ham n' egger" to submit to his finishing hold. The Warlord's Full Nelson should not be ranked so high as number ten.



The tarantula and the mandilble claw should not be included in this list, as both were not technically considered submission holds. The Million Dollar Dream was a sleeper hold, not a submission hold. It was there to put opponents to sleep, to make them unconscious, so the referee could check the opponent's arm three times and if the opponent's arm falls down the third time then the match is over. If this move counts as a submission hold then Brutus Beefcake's sleeper hold and Rowdy Roddy Piper's sleeper hold should also be included in this list.



The figure-four leglock was the most effective submission move in WWF history and used by wrestlers such as Ric Flair, Greg Valentine, and Ronnie Garvin to force a submission. Given the number of wrestlers who have applied this hold in the past and succeeded in getting a submission from an opponent then this move should be ranked number one. Bret's Sharpshooter should not receive a number one ranking but it should be ranked in the top five. It was a very devastating finisher.

Answer 3

First of all some of the moves on that list is the same thing under a different name....as is the case of the Sleeper and Tazmission. And no the Sharp Shooter should not be number 1.



I would reclassify the list into divisions if you will and state the best wrestler to use said move as such:



1. Choke move i.e. the Sleep division

2. Joint Lock i.e. leg submission

3. ARMBAR

4. Stretch moves i.e. back submissions



and the best moves ever by a wrestler are:



1. Best Choke move is the Rear Naked Choke by Samoa Joe....



2. Best Joint Lock of the leg submission is the Figure Four by Ric Flair WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



3. Best ARMBAR is the 5 minutes of greatness by Ricky Steamboat....ok ok its just a weardown move but you have to admit he is the best ever.....the real best Armbar belongs to Fujiwara.



4. Best Stretch move is a tie between Jazz and Jericho but since it is basically the same move working over the back stretching the legs putting pressure on the back and all leg joints all the way to the hips. If done right and done with hatred I've seen Jazz pull the legs back soooo far that she was literally smacking her opponent in the head with her own foot......When Jericho does his stretch he would be mean and step on the opponent's neck while pulling back the knee bar.

Answer 4

IMO the Real #1 Submission is The Crossface. Too bad they didn't add it.

Answer 5

i dont really, no offence to bret hart but sharpshooter doesnt deserve to be above the anklelock, anaconda vice or figure four in my opinion

Answer 6

wall of jericho should be before stf and the tazmission should higher up also

Answer 7

i certainly agree with you on that one

that list is SWEET

Answer 8

Liontamer should be in there